BPHS – Timing of Conveyances

[Lunar Crew AS]

Chapter 15 Verse 10-14 states that: If the ascendant lord is a benefic while the 4th lord is in fall or in the 11th and the significator (Venus) is in the 12th – the native will obtain conveyances in his 12th year.

Please decode the above ages mentioned as i will post the shlokas in parts for more detailed information.

[Shailesh]

Ankit ji Pranaam,

In the Notes section (page 144) for the above verse, the author (R. Santhanam) has said the following:

It is not known why the 4th lord should be in fall for early obtainment of conveyances. This condition seems to be the result of defective text as the next line adds that the 4th lord may be in the 11th. To me it occurs that the correct version should read as : If the ascendant lord is a benefic while the 11th is tenanted by Venus and the 4th lord, early obtainment of conveyances (around the 12th year) will come to pass.

With warm regards

[Shailesh]

[Original] Chapter 4, Verse 10-14: If the ascendant lord is a benefic while the 4th is in fall or in the 11th and the significator (Venus) is in the 12th, the native wil obtain conveyances in his 12th year.

Each year is counted from the ascendant by going around the zodiac so the 11th year of the native will be in the 11th house and 12th year of the native will be in the 12th house.

If the ascendant lord is a benefic, the native will be fortunate during the first 12 years from birth.
When the 4th lord is in debilitation (fall) or in the 11th (upchaya house = improves over time so probably not a good placement during the first 12 years of the native’s life; also the house of gain), either placement will prevent the native from getting a conveyance. If the 4th lord is in debilitation, prevent the acquisition altogether and if in the 11th house, prevent the acquisition in the 11th year of the native.
However, when Venus (karaka for vehicles) is in the 12th house (Venus is exalted in the 12th house of Pisces and 12th house is also expenses), Venus will override the 4th lord debilitation or it’s placement in the 11th house and allow the native to acquire a conveyance when the 12th house is activated.

[Revised] Chapter 4, Verse 10-14: If the ascendant lord is a benefic while the 11th is tenanted by Venus and the 4th lord, early obtainment of conveyances (around the 12th year) will come to pass.

If the ascendant lord is a benefic, the native will be fortunate during the first 12 years from birth.
When the 11th has both Venus (karaka of conveyances) and 4th lord (karaka for conveyances), the 11th house upachaya affliction gets reduced by Venus and the 4th lord. Here it’s interesting to note that the author has revised the BPHS statement to say “around the 12th year” which could also mean the 11th or the 13th year. My assessment is that the native will acquire the conveyance in the 11th year if the revised statement is accurate. The native may also acquire the conveyance in the 12th year since Venus is activated in the 12 year (Venus exalted in the 12th year)

Please comment/update/correct.

[Shailesh]

The Khemraj publication in Hindi has the following version:

Lagnesh soumya budh ho aur sukhesh neech rashi may ho, matrikaraka dvadash bhav may ho, sukhesh labhsthan may ho to jatak ke 12 ve varsh me palaki ki svari ka labh hoga.

If the ascendant lord is benefic or Mercury*
[another interpretation: If the ascendant lord is benefic Mercury]
AND the 4th lord is debilitated
OR the 4th lord is in the 12th bhava
OR the 4th lord is in the 11th house,
then the native will gain a palanquin (mode of transportation) in the 12th year.

My hindi is rusty so please correct the translation. Once the translation is corrected, we can reverse engineer the rationale.

*Mercury doesn’t seem to appear in the Sanskrit text so not sure why it was inluded in the Hindi translation.

[Shivkesh]

sir ji….if ascndant lord is benific means gives good results…4th lord in fall means deblitated..let say moon is 4th lord deblitated in 8th house. ..8th house is inheritence  and it will aspect its exaltations house 2nd house ..means accumulation of wealth or property or vhicle as all shows accumulation..also  veus in 12th house in its exaltation house  karka of  vehicle and saturn the karka of mechinary also the karak of 12th house…3rd lord murcury got deblitated as  3rd house is house of driving…venus the natural 2nd lord in 12th house shows expenditure so native will spend money on vehicle…or any contructed property..ans accumulate it…

.if 4th lord is in 11th house then it is placed 8th to its own house again shows inheritence and 12th hous is house of gain of 11th house  and venus placed there shows the native will spend his gai on vehicle or property…

 

so its my opinion ..hope u can think of it ..as i m right or wrong..

which ever planet u placed in 4th house and see its debiltation house may be related to 12th 2nd or lagna…..

 

thanks

[Aseem Mehta]

Hello Everyone,
With regards to the shloka quoted above, will this technique get activate in the age of 24, 36, etc. as well. I have gone through horoscopes that I have on which some version of this technique is applicable. In most cases it cannot be confirmed since there isn’t a lot of information available about the native on Astro Databank or Wikipedia. In some cases it may be working but the event is not gain of conveyances and the age is not 12. I am yet to apply the technique to the ages in additions of 12 years yet and will update after that.

[Dileep Bapat]

Catherine Thompson,

Childhood: Advantaged (Well-off family)

Childhood Family traumatic event (Parents and brother dead by age 20)

 

(from astrobank)

[Dileep Bapat]

Another record I found is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Foch , Here parents divorced and she moved to another country with mother when she was toddler (<5 I assume).

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